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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
Emily: I'm really glad Largy is Okay
Ben: Yeah, he's doing good.
He just doesn't understand why his
belly got shaved or why he's been
getting special human food dinners.
Emily: oh,
Jeremy: I would have the same questions
if I found my belly shaved as well, and
I don't understand why this is happening.
Ben: I, well, I try to mitigate the vet or
associate a bad thing with a good thing.
So whenever he comes home from the
vet, he gets like a scrambled egg
or like some white meat chicken.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Ben: And now he's snoozing next to
me on the couch next to my desk.
Jeremy: Ace was a rescue dog, and when
we, we got him, somebody had named
him Player, and my wife was like,
yeah, I'm not, I'm not calling the dog
that, I'm not going outside yelling
Player, I was looking at his records,
and I was like, well, the original
name they have listed when he came in.
is like two clubs and I
was like, that's strange.
and like I looked into the city that
he had, the pound that he had first
been in and apparently like he was one
of a group of 50 dogs that were seized
from a, like a compound where there was
hoarding and all this stuff going on.
The animals were just left outside and the
weather and everything in South Carolina.
And I guess when they had, taken them in,
there had been so many of them that they
just assigned each of them, like, a card.
Emily: Wow.
Jeremy: so, yeah, rather than continuing
to be the two of clubs, he is now our ace.
Emily: Yeah.
S. E.: Aw.
Mine was also a rescue.
Came with the name Ace, and I
was like, well, he's the best.
So it's a fitting name.
Emily: It's such a good name.
S. E.: like, if they know a name,
I'm not a fan of changing a dog's
name unless they don't know it.
We just rescued one two weeks ago,
and they were like, his name's
Arthur, and he'd be like, Arthur!
And he's just like, so
we changed his name.
But, when they know a name, it's
like, whoo, that's one thing
I don't have to teach them.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Blargy's name when we got him
from the shelter was Luciferry, and
we said, that's nonsense, he's Blargy.
Emily: Blargy is
S. E.: is not
nonsense, of course.
Ben: Of course,
Emily: love Blargy as the cat name.
Yeah, and Oswald, Oswald came with
his name and I couldn't change it
because we, I just added names.
Now it's Oswald Bramblepelt
Sputnik Bean, but
Ben: Oh, I love that.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Ace is actually Ace Defer Bones.
Ace Defer Bones Jones Whitley.
So,
Emily: That's
fantastic.
Ben: I will say, having gotten into
this part 2 now, Knowing more what the
tone is from part one, I indefinitely
enjoyed myself with this one.
Jeremy: yeah.
Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified, the podcast
where we hold horror to progressive
standards that never agreed to.
Tonight, we're continuing our walk down
the street called Fear with Netflix's R.
L.
Stine's Fear Street Part 2, 1978.
I am your host, Jeremy Whitley,
and with me tonight I have a
panel of cinephiles and cenobites.
First, they're here to challenge
the sexy werewolf, sexy vampire
binary, my co host Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: And all I can think about is what
kind of banger 17th century needle
drops are we gonna get in part three?
HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!
Woo!
Jeremy: I was, critical of their needle
drops last time, this time I was just
like, I just don't think they know
what needle drops are supposed to do,
they're just like, we got some rights
to some music, we'll just put it in.
Ben: scene might as well have man who sold
the world playing over it, sure, why not?
Jeremy: yeah.
Yeah, and the cinnamon roll of
Cenobites, our co host Emily Martin.
How are you tonight, Emily?
Emily: just relieved that they did have
both versions of Man Who Sold the World.
I thought that they would like, transition
it, and they didn't, which was a bit
of a, missed opportunity, but yeah,
Jeremy: it back around, they bookended it.
Emily: They did, they did bookend it.
And I was like, okay, that's cool.
Jeremy: Alright, and our guest tonight,
writer, editor, and co host of the Bitches
on Comics podcast, Essie Flenor, welcome!
S. E.: Oh, hello, hello.
Thank you for having me.
And I just want to start by saying
I'm a firm believer that all
summer camp horror belongs to the
queers, my friends, all of it.
It's ours.
Emily: for better or worse.
S. E.: For better or often much worse.
Craig: yeah.
Ben: I don't want to be accused of
being too negative, whatever jokes I
make at this movie's expense for the
sake of entertainment, I enjoyed this
movie, I had a lot of fun with it.
S. E.: So we're going to, we'll
start this one saying people enjoyed
it and then we'll brag on it and
then we'll come back round this
Ben: exactly, exactly, but I, just right
off the bat, I want to say, I'm sorry.
With this movie's inspiration of Friday
the 13th Part 1, easily one of the worst
movies I've ever seen, this movie is so
much better than its inspiration, and
you can never take that away from it.
Jeremy: And multimedia artist
and critic, Craig Alexander.
Craig, great to have you back!
Craig: Yes, yes.
I cannot wait to, pontificate on the
relevancy and timeline of every song
in this movie for the first hour
without getting into any of the plot.
It'll be wonderful.
Ben: Well, I'll just say, start,
my only real comment on the Needle
Drops, I'll start and end with, I
appreciate that they used Kansas twice.
Carry On My Wayward
Craig: Yeah, the same song twice.
That was like, even I, the reason I
brought that, but I was like, okay, I've
watched enough supernatural to be numb
S. E.: was going to say the
supernatural girlies, the
supernatural girlies are about it.
Ben: the movie, I honestly, I give the
movie a pass on that, mostly just because
I honestly fucking love that song,
and I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm perfectly
okay listening to it again, yeah.
Jeremy: Listen, if there's anything
Sadie Sink is really notable for in
horror stuff on Netflix, it's listening
to the same song over and over and
Emily: There you go.
Ben: brain.
Fucked up one of the twists, because the
movie started and I just went, Oh, yeah,
of course Sadie Sink is playing a young
Jillian Jacobs, that's great casting, and
did not realize that I wasn't supposed
to think she's young Jillian Jacobs.
S. E.: That's the stupidest fucking
thing in the whole movie, I'm sorry.
Right now, I'm gonna start with,
that's stupid, okay, please.
Jeremy: I saw it.
And they introduced the characters.
And I was like, well, one of their names
starts with a C and the other one doesn't.
So I assume that she's actually the
one whose name doesn't start with a C.
S. E.: course, right?
You know what, now, okay,
but now that you said that,
Ben: Zignacious.
S. E.: But now that you said it, I'm like,
oh, it's like Sam in the first movie.
Jeremy: God.
Craig: but like, not nearly as like,
S. E.: cute.
Craig: the, the Sam in the first movie
was done, like it was, the reveal happened
quick enough to where it wasn't like
S. E.: Touche.
Craig: drawn out.
It wasn't, it didn't feel like, Oh God,
this is what we've been waiting for.
S. E.: When that when they
have when they have the kid go
like, oh you're you're Ziggy?
Craig: Yeah.
S. E.: At the end you're like, I hate
everyone in the room, because it's like,
how did she tell the fucking story?
Was she like, there are these
two sisters, I'm one of them,
but who can say
Ben: had to have referred to herself
in the third person the entire
Craig: Yeah.
Jeremy: the biggest note for me is
just like my writer bullshit meter
was going insane Cuz I was like she's
telling this story where there are
several scenes where nobody survives.
We would have no way of
knowing what happened to them
She's telling it from like
Craig: would have no way of knowing.
Ben: are you?
How did you know all the parts where Tommy
just showed up and murdered everybody?
Emily: Just
Craig: Yeah.
Like the entire.
Yeah.
Oh God.
We should probably talk.
We should probably go in order.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: I gotta say, Tommy is just
so effective as a slasher villain.
Like, with literally one exception,
he one hit KOs everyone he hits.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy: that's all he needs.
So let me let me hit the basics here.
This is again directed by
Leigh Janiak based on R.
L.
Stine's series.
it is written, again, by Lee and,
Zach Olkowicz and Phil Graziotti,
who was also on the previous one.
It stars, again, some of our
returning cast from the last one.
We have, Kiana Madiera, we have
Olivia Scott Welch, we have Benjamin
Flores Jr., we have Jillian Jacobs,
who appeared at the very end of the
last one and is back for this one.
We also get the, you of the 1970s section.
Uh, which we have Sadie Sink,
we have Emily Rudd, we have Ryan
Simpkins, Sam Brook, uh, McCabe Sly
Brandon Spink, and Ted Sutherland.
And boy are they all gonna die.
With very few exceptions.
It might be worth just, uh, me just
running through the, doing a speedrun
of this actual, uh, plot here, cause,
Ben: I do just want to say, MVP of
the movie, Ryan Simpkins as Alice.
Alice is such a good, great
S. E.: not we will get there,
because we're gonna have to
take a long ass time on Alice.
We can't sneak her in
at the beginning, Ben.
You're
you're you're cheating!
I will not stand for it.
Jeremy: that's gonna
Ben: I'm all about that low key
Jeremy: whole conversation, honestly.
I spent Okay.
so we start at the end of the
last story, which, uh, will be
the frame story for this one.
Our brother sister duo of Dina
and Josh are taking Dina's now
possessed girlfriend, Sam, to see C.
Berman.
As she is listed in the phone
book, and I guess they, she will
continue to tell the story as C.
Berman.
C.
Berman has been through some shit, and
knows the lore enough to tell them, uh,
that they are well and truly fucked,
as she denies the call to adventure.
Of course, that's not good enough
for Dina, who cannot live without
her mostly shitty girlfriend, for
whom she actually for which her
actually pretty solid friends died.
So C.
Berman decides to wind up the old
flashback machine and tells us
the story of that summer that she
spent at camp where she went from
being a girl to being a woman.
Hey, just a writer note, the essentials
of this story just don't work on a
basic POV level because she is telling
the story which includes several
sections for which no person who
survived was there to tell about it.
But fuck it.
That's just the kind of movie this is.
Craig: The witch just showed her,
Jeremy: yeah,
Emily: There you
S. E.: I'm actually mad that
that's not what they do,
or did.
No, cause, cause actually
that would solve it!
If like, you were like, Oh,
all the murderers, the witch
has all the murderers memories.
Like, that's why she would
know she died, she came back.
Like
that,
Jeremy: What
S. E.: fine.
I love hokey
Jeremy: at the end?
Like,
that was the other thing that I was
like, Well, yeah, work, I guess.
Ben: I think they could've solved
it if they just had Josh ask,
Wait, how did you know about
the parts you weren't there for?
And then she just moves on.
S. E.: know what?
I like that too.
That would
have totally fixed
it.
Ben: I will say, first and most, and
honestly most effective plot twist of
the whole movie, Jillian Jacobs brunette.
That fuckin floored
Jeremy: Totally looks natural.
Uh, definitely.
So we meet the Berman
sisters, Ziggy and Cindy.
If you immediately guess that the
character identified as C Berman
is the one whose name doesn't start
with C, then you win the RL style
prize for knowing how the shit works.
Ziggy has a group of bullies, uh, led
by the incredibly aggressive Sheila
trying to hang and or burn her as a
witch because she Maybe stole some money.
Um, they are taunting her, uh, about
how she's been possessed by Mary Fear.
So I guess they know more about
this witch in the 70s than most
of the characters in the 90s do.
Tiny Sheriff Good, who, uh, as, as
Emily put it, was assigned cop at birth,
Ben: Incredible way.
Yeah, nailed it.
Fuckin nailed it.
Jeremy: the whole thing up, not because
it's wrong, but because he wants to
start a cross class romance with Ziggy.
Meanwhile, Cindy is busy doing
her best to be a final girl.
She doesn't sex, she doesn't drugs, and
she fusses at everyone else who does
anything that's just not mature enough.
She has a long suffering boyfriend named
Tommy Slater, who is sweet but a bit dumb.
Her former friend Alice has turned
full on druggy and sexpot and really
just took the job as counselor to
fucking do drugs over the summer.
Also there's
S. E.: you been a camp counselor?
Craig: one does, as one
S. E.: That's accurate.
I was a
camp counselor.
I showed up like, Hey,
let's do some fun stuff.
And they were like, no,
we're fucking partying.
And I was like, damn,
Ben: I I went
S. E.: counselor.
Ben: I don't wanna drink, and then
I worked with kids, and then I'm
like, I really need to fuckin drink.
A lot.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So, so you started out as a
Cindy and you ended as an Alice.
I feel like that explains a lot, Ben.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: that arc checks out.
Jeremy: okay, so also
there's Nurse Mary Lane.
Do you recognize the last name?
Her daughter is Ruby Lane, the Amy
Winehouse lookalike who was the slasher
and the last killer in this timeline,
S. E.: And she's the woman that
the twins are left with, that, the
twins that are being babysat and
separating the drugs, the person they
leave the kids with is the nurse.
Ben: Oh shit, I did not realize that.
She is also the only ki the only
person over 20 at this camp.
Jeremy: I pointed this out.
Anyway, Nurse Lane is seemingly
the only adult at the camp.
There is no camp director.
Why would there be?
Emily: it's the 70s.
Craig: 80.
Oh yeah.
This is the seventies.
Yeah.
It's yeah.
It's before it was in the eighties.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
You
Jeremy: like, I can see all of this
with, like, one person who's in charge.
the nurse would not be it.
S. E.: even if the nurse was,
she's not there at a certain
point.
Jeremy: yeah, no, the cops were not
like, are there any other adults here
now that we're taking away the nurse?
No?
Ben: this does explain why color
war is literally segregated by like,
which side of the tracks you live on.
Like, essentially, poverty line color war,
Jeremy: assuming that
Craig: I mean, if there were like, if
there were any, like black people in this
movie at that time, I don't think there
were any black people like at the camp
Jeremy: Oh, there are!
They're all in the all the people of color
at this cabin, or at this camp, are in
the cabin where everybody gets butchered.
Emily: Yeah, and they're all shady siders.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Emily: They're 100 percent shady side.
Jeremy: yeah,
Craig: Well, no, that,
Jeremy: one Asian girl and one black
Craig: no, no, no, that's not like,
you know, writers, unconscious bias.
S. E.: ha ha ha ha ha
Craig: that's, that's them, like, you
know, making a very subtle commentary
on the system, you know, that's, that's,
that's what's going on there, you know.
Ben: I mean, I will say, it is, it is
Emily: I'm picking up what you're
Ben: it is as subtle as this trilogy gets.
Emily: Oh, yeah.
No, we're just fine.
Ben: Yeah, fuck subtlety.
Emily: fuck it.
I had access to the face.
People's heads get blended.
Whatever.
Jeremy: okay
Emily: Let's go.
Jeremy: Nurse Lane, the only adult here,
has apparently been doing research about
local witch Sarah Fier in the wake of
her daughter's homicidal turn and knows
a lot of things that It's unclear exactly
how she knows and why she wouldn't have
attempted to do more about them before
now But much more ethical it seems than
to stab the pulsating bag of slime in
the cave than the innocent teen boy
who might be possessed, but I digress.
She tells Tommy that she doesn't know
why his name was on this rock which,
you know, we'll see the rock later.
We've seen it in bits in the first
one but he's gonna do evil things and
she's just gonna go Marvel's Civil
War II, uh, that shit right now.
She is ineffective and thus this
chapter is doomed to be a triple tragic
straight, cis, white, teen love story.
In contrast with the first chapter
of this trilogy, there are no queer
or POC main characters in this one,
except, I mean, literally says,
literally, this page in front of me
says, dot, dot, dot, except, well,
there's a lot to talk about about Alice,
Ben: There sure
is.
S. E.: And not just Alice!
Oh!
Emily: there's
Ben: will say, in terms of queer
Emily: is there.
Sure.
Ben: I'll say is, I'm like,
Ah, yeah, Sheila, that's the
way I confront my enemies.
Staring deeply into their eyes,
four inches away from their face.
Craig: I mean, wow, why wouldn't you?
Emily: I mean, if you can, you
Ben: Look, I, Sheila
apparently got away scot free.
I hope she went to college and
discovered a whole bunch about herself.
Jeremy: anyway, Alice finds a map to
something wicked inside the nurse's
book of witch shit, and decides to steal
Cindy's purse and drag all four of them
into hunting underground for witch shit.
They all immediately succeed in
finding witch shit to their credit.
Meanwhile, the color war has begun back
at the camp, and the kids are running
and hiding all over the woods so they can
play capture the flag, which will in no
way be detrimental to all their health.
Ben: this gave me such fuckin
bad Color War flashbacks.
Jeremy: yeah.
Emily: Is color war a thing?
Like, is that a thing that
Ben: It, it was incredibly serious
at the camp I went to, where it was
like, Once you are on a color, you
are on that color until you die.
Emily: Okay, so I thought it was like
a, subtle nod to the, I don't mean
subtle, but like, I thought it was
a reference to the Manson family.
Because of their,
Ben: this Color War shit is very real.
I went to a camp where Color War
was four days of just like, Hey,
you hate half your friends now.
Emily: ha ha ha!
Jeremy: yeah.
So, uh,
Emily: Christ.
Ben: Yeah, it was fuckin
psychological warfare on children.
I, it was not good.
S. E.: But
Color
Craig: I just expected them to like as
soon as they said color where I just
expected like the two black students
like black kids to just like step
off to the side and then just like
everyone else to be against them.
Ben: I will say, I do have to, I do have
to bring up an anecdote of one time in
gym class in middle school when the gym
teacher was like, I don't feel like being
a fucking employee today, you just fucking
do flag football and make your own teams.
At which point we, in our middle
school wisdom, immediately
went, alright, Jews vs.
Christians?
That makes sense, let's go!
Which,
Emily: Damn.
Ben: Yeah, just given even the first taste
of freedom, we were like, Religious war?
Religious war, yeah.
Emily: It just makes sense.
Ben: I mean, look, it says something
about my town that we had enough people
for both sides to be roughly even.
Emily: Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
Jeremy: I hesitate to ask which side won.
okay.
S. E.: well,
Ben: A real cop out, but it is what it is.
S. E.: like, that's the term
for like all of the activities.
Right.
And like one of the activities
is capture the flag.
Is
that right?
Okay.
I had to research this.
Cause I was also like, what?
Ben: Yeah, so like my kids go,
it was like, it was everything.
There was like fucking relay races,
basketball, swimming, tennis,
It is Get out of your all the
Jeremy: it's the
S. E.: know it from Wet
Hot American Summer.
And what?
Craig: cop, yeah.
Jeremy: It's the house cup.
Ziggy and Baby Sheriff do not
participate in order to pull off
Operation Bug Drop on Sheila.
Emily: Rude to the bugs.
Jeremy: they, specifically
talk about Carrie.
They carry her with a pail
of creepy crawlies and then
lock her in the bathroom.
Tommy hears whispers and decides he's
tired of not axing people to death.
We all feel that way at some point at
camp sometimes, but Tommy really commits
to the be acting Alice's, uh, shaggy
ass boyfriend directly in the face.
Then, uh, chasing Alice and Cindy into
the hidden tunnels, which collapsed
behind them, leaving them to wander the
incredibly well lit underground tunnels.
Tommy decides that his
acts like the Wu-Tang Clan.
Is for the children.
Tommy really carves a swath
through the campers of, of,
specifically the campers of color.
Ben: He just fucking wrecks them!
He goes full fucking Anakin Skywalker on
Emily: my god, yeah!
Ben: It's so
Jeremy: kills all the campers of color.
There's one Asian girl and
one black guy at this camp,
and they're gone immediately.
Ben: it's great because he's clearly the
favorite counselor, so all these kids
are just like, Tommy, and then just BAM,
S. E.: Oh, he just murders them.
They're like, Kahn!
Emily: I
Ben: It's not like, again, he
does not like hit like wounds.
He doesn't like hit 'em in the chest.
It's like, ah, what's happening?
They only cry away.
No, it is just one
shot.
S. E.: to the dome.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the girl in, that gets
slaughtered there, that's Kate's aunt.
I remember when Kate's, like,
my mom's sister was at camp.
Ben: Oh
Craig: Oh, yeah.
Emily: Oh
Ben: Good, good.
Great.
Oh, great catch.
S. E.: I knew you'd want to
know.
I, knew you specifically,
Ben, would want to know.
Ben: That is the deed.
That is the connection, Lord,
shit, that I am here for that.
And child murder.
Jeremy: So, as far as I can
tell, none of the, uh, kids of
color are named in this movie.
However, uh, the, chubby, awkward
kid that gets axed is named Jeremy.
They mention that several times.
So Cindy and Alice, whilst wandering
through the caves, repair their
friendship by poking Alice's bone
back into her leg, discussing the
difficulties of being lower class and
then discovering that the witch cave has
a giant underground heart beating in it.
As, meanwhile, a child sheriff is rounding
kids up to make sure that they're safe.
Ziggy remembers that she accidentally
left her bully to be murdered
in the locked bathroom and goes
back to get her ass whooped.
But lo and behold.
Her sister is in the toilet, as is Alice.
Uh, they decide to haul Alice
up in a shit bucket, but uh,
are unfortunately interrupted by
Tommy's axe, uh, dropping Alice back
down, on her already broken leg.
Alice is like, go save your sister, I'll
just die down here in the shit cave.
Uh, so Cindy goes, finding that,
uh, another route up comes up
under a vent in the nurse's office.
I don't know why the nurse's office
has a vent to the shit cave, but
S. E.: is
the nurse's office in the kitchen?
Jeremy: It's next to the kitchen?
S. E.: Oh
okay, The walking is strange.
It's very
hard to figure out how this camp works.
Jeremy: this, this like, main cabin has
everything right next to each other.
It's, it's got the nurse's office,
and the kitchen, and all that stuff.
Which is, you know, where
like, a lot of this, the, the
following fight takes place.
Cindy arrives just in time to save Ziggy
and Boy Cop, but is, uh, not able to kill
her own boyfriend without the aid of Alex,
or Alice, who, uh, pops back up from the
shit cave just in time to save the day.
Uh, of course, none of this
matters, because it'll all happen
again someday, because The hand
still isn't buried with the body.
Alice forgot to mention that she picked
up object Witch Hand, and they now
can use Witch Hand on Hanging Tree.
But, uh, now there are nosebleeds again,
and as we all know, Seraphir really
doesn't like having wet bones, so she
sends the whole goon squad after them.
Alice is like, leave me behind, no wait,
I'm already dead from your boyfriend.
Uh, no undertones there.
the Berman sisters make a last minute
run to the hanging tree to dig up the
bones, but somebody has already moved
them and left a lulz get good noobs,
uh, message under the in the grave.
Uh, they celebrate their loss
Ben: That is what it says.
Jeremy: by being stabbed
and axed repeatedly.
Uh, they are both very dead.
Then How is C.
Berman still alive, you ask?
Well, Boy Cop learned CPR in Boy
Police Academy, and that makes your
organs heal themselves back up in
and your blood go back into your
body when people do CPR on you.
Ben: Look, this movie
is medical knowledge.
Jeremy: Like, if
there is
Craig: basic biology.
Jeremy: are consistent about,
it is not knowing how CPR works.
Ben: Look, the first one gave us
EpiPens can cure drowning and CPR
can cure stab wounds in the second.
Emily: Yeah, It's,
Craig: that's, basic.
Jeremy: Yeah, this
Emily: that's, that's just
Jeremy: like to point out
Ben: At least it's consistently insane.
Jeremy: would work a lot like
trying to give CPR to a jelly donut.
Like, it would just Like,
Emily: Right?
That's what I, that's,
Jeremy: she needs a hundred stitches
before CPR is even an option.
Ben: Like, I feel like at some
point all CPR can do is make
the blood come out faster.
S. E.: also brings you back to life.
I'm pretty sure
like, uh, that's just science y'all.
I don't know what you've
been reading, but okay,
hashtag justice for Cindy.
I will say Jeremy in your summary
Cindy does kill her boyfriend.
She kills him when he's killing Ziggy
and then that motherfucker doesn't die.
That's when he kills Alice and
then she has to kill him again.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Ben: Also,
S. E.: did.
It was her arc, right?
She had to kill the boyfriend.
It was like, the thing.
And she did.
Ben: Yeah.
Also,
I need to emphasize that.
Jeremy: are a few more, uh,
beats at the end of this movie.
Ben: Fine, I'll get to it later.
Jeremy: so, now Ziggy is, back to life
and surprised the better known actress
playing the more precocious sister, whose
name didn't start with a C, is actually C.
Berman, because her real name
is Christina, not Ziggy Uroob.
How could you fall for that?
Now, we're back in the present
where it's not particularly
well explained why exactly C.
Berman thinks that there is no escape
from this shit because she seems
to have escaped it by dying and
then coming back via magical CPR.
Dina's like, there has to be a solution
because there is nothing more powerful
than the already tenuous love between
a protagonist and her character.
Questionable first crush.
Brother Josh points out that, uh,
this is a relatively simple equation.
They now have both the bones and the
hand, uh, and they know where they are.
So as long as they're quick, they
can just go ahead and bury them both
together and everything will be grand.
Except when they do, it, uh, sends
poor mixed race lesbian back to 1600s
to experience what it was like to be a
witch then, which I guess is probably
not unlike what her experience was in
the 90s as a mixed race lesbian just
with much worse music, I would imagine.
Uh, to be continued.
Ben: I enjoyed that this movie ended
the same way Evil Dead 2 did, and I can
only assume part 3 will be similarly
influenced by Army of Darkness.
Emily: wish.
God, I wish.
I've seen it, but I, can't remember
much of the details of the third one.
I know that they don't, like, there's not
a lot of bops of, notoriety in that one.
Jeremy: Do you think there's an alternate
version where she becomes a shotgun
wielding bad girl at a, at a,
Emily: God, I would like,
Ben: Oh, I would watch that movie.
Emily: so good.
Ben: such a great show that
Netflix would cancel after one
season.
Emily: Yeah.
God, I would,
I,
what I wouldn't give
Ben: but the hashtag campaign to
save it would be something else.
Craig: I just can't wait for, Ben's
criticism that like, Johann Heinrich
Schmeisser, aria didn't drop until 1678.
And so I can't believe they're
playing that in the 1666 movie.
Ben: God,
get
Craig: never be playing in the background.
Jeremy: remember Smyser, didn't
he do the, uh, the, all the songs
for America's Next Top Model?
S. E.: mmm, mm hmm
Craig: you got to smize, you know?
Ben: Like, Jesus, another
Samuel Copernicus?
Like, what is this?
Like, damn, they're just
hitting all the cliches now.
Jeremy: Beethoven's first symphony?
Craig: I'm glad I know, I know
we did the exact same thing, Ben,
so I'm just hilarious because the
one that you just said is right
about the one that I just said.
Ben: yep.
Craig: Like, oh yeah, we're on the
same Wikipedia page, wonderful.
Jeremy: So,
Ben: Intune, wave, same wavelength.
S. E.: Oh,
Jeremy: alright you wanted to, uh, do
justice to the actual C Berman here,
S. E.: No, no.
I was just saying Cindy
did, did kill Tommy.
That's all.
I mean, we can talk shit
about the rest of it.
I'm a hundred percent on board, but
I'm like, she got her narrative arc,
Ben: I mean, like, there's the,
S. E.: did it.
She rose to the occasion.
She was like, I am better than
the poor people I live around.
Oh my God, I am the poor
people I live around!
Ben: I mean, I feel like
her
No, she had a real arc.
I mean, there's things I have, like,
I have fun and can make fun about this
movie, but overall I quite enjoyed it.
It was a really fun
summer camp slasher movie.
S. E.: Yeah, I really liked it.
One of my early notes was needs
more lesbians, and then I was like
watching it and I was like,
I disagree with myself.
we all have our frustrations,
I think, with like, off the
page, off the screen queering.
but I'm a firm believer in giving a
pass if it is a franchise that is queer.
So to me, because the framing is
that of a lesbian story, or at least
a sapphic love story, you get away
with some coding that you can't do
if you don't have an explicit story.
So, Emily Rudd and Ryan Simpkins,
did I get those names right?
Do you
Ben: Yes.
Ryan Simkins, who is non
binary, uses she, they pronouns.
S. E.: Thank you so much.
Well, when they were on, the press tour
or the junkets, they were both like,
Oh no, they're definitely, they were,
they were in a relationship before.
Like, that's the thing that
they were fighting about is that
they were in this relationship.
And now listen, I hate that shit.
And like most people do it, but I'm
like, if you're giving me like this,
lesbian framing story, I'll buy it.
I'll buy it.
And so I bought and paid
and I'm in, I'm team.
These girls are so
Jeremy: to you at all that that is
the same lesbian, the framing story is
the same lesbian story as this story?
Of like, One of them decided
that the poor people were
Craig: well, they're both
like, well, yeah, and this
one, yeah, and this one, like,
S. E.: This is not a
Craig: in the same time and there's
both still in the same town.
So it's not like.
One
S. E.: not quite
Craig: leaving the, but yeah, but
S. E.: I agree with you and I
Craig: is like the one who's
kind of more like trying to
distance herself from Shady veil.
Shady Vil.
Shady veil.
Shady
Emily: Shady.
S. E.: Side.
Craig: Shady side.
. Yeah.
Emily: Shady Grove.
Craig: yeah,
So she's, yeah,
Emily: That song, I believe, is that old.
Craig: yeah.
. So yeah, Cindy is the one trying to
like distance herself from Shady side.
And, Alice.
Is the one who's like, You're
leaving me behind, and fuck you.
Yeah, because now you're like,
think you're like, Miss Goody T
Shoes better than everybody else.
S. E.: And I think for me, it's
like this, like we said, right?
Like subtlety is not this series goal.
They're this franchise's goal.
They're not trying to be subtle.
And so
I think they were like, let's
tell the same story again.
Ben: Well, I think it's where you get
into some like, and I don't think Fear
Street is in any way unique in this
regard, but I think it's where you get
into some franchise fuckery of where,
like, You can really find things that
really ride that line of, like, We're
exploring how patterns repeat through
history, Versus, like, Well, we're just
gonna do the same shit we did last time.
Craig: Yeah.
S. E.: Well, and that's why I think
they had to get away with coding it.
Cause if they had made it
explicit, we would all be like, on.
Ben: We would be going into 1666 going,
like, Boy, can't wait to see how,
like, Fucking, like, colonial lesbians
in Shadyside, like, Cause that's
what this trilogy is now, I guess.
Emily: honestly, I don't think that
the 70s, 1978, Shadyside movie, Fear
Street, com, like, I don't know if
they would have the bandwidth or
the, like, proper, I mean, I might
just be traumatized from They Slash
Them, but I didn't really want to see
queer issues, involved in this story.
like, I didn't really
care too much about that.
Ben: Well,
Emily: Like, I don't miss it.
Ben: I really think it's so strange
that it's not a more queer movie
because for so many people, Summer
Camp was a certain degree of queer
awakening or the first chance to
explore that and budding sexuality.
So, honestly, it's strange that it's
territory that I haven't seen explored.
Emily: Honestly, I think if this
whole thing happened at a band
camp, if they were, if it was
explicitly a band camp, then we
could be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
we could just say like, okay, that's, I
know, like, summer camp movies are queer.
Ben: I mean, you can't put that
many men in short shorts and
not have it be a little queer.
Emily: Oh yeah, there's woods, there's
a lot of privacy out there, you know,
a lot of people are, oh, expanding
their minds with their marijuana,
Ben: I like how we got a new terminology
for drugs, or pills, I like how in the
Craig: Oh yeah, the
Ben: they, in the first movie they were,
S. E.: Blueberries and bananas.
Emily: they
were
Craig: blueberries and
bananas in these yellow
jackets.
Ben: they're
S. E.: Oh,
Craig: Yellow jackets and
what was the other one?
Like red Orioles?
I don't know.
Ben: yeah, so
Jeremy: to, I can't wait to hear
Emily: aren't birds, those are bugs.
Jeremy: I can't wait to hear what
they call drugs in the 1600s.
Ben: hope they name him after
saints, I hope it's like, I
hear you have some, uh, uh,
Josephiles and Bartholomews.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: I'm really looking forward
to the, uh, thou hast left me behind
and taken thy carriage to the next
clearing, uh, conversation in that one.
So
Ben: I do have a
question, slash, question.
request for knowledge.
Can someone please explain to me, is
Nick, the older or the younger brother?
Because they kept telling me, it's like,
you're the heir apparent, you're gonna
take over, you're the chosen one, Nick.
And I'm like, isn't he
the younger brother?
What the fuck?
Emily: the
S. E.: he's younger, but I think
the older brother is also the mayor.
So I
think the,
idea is they both have their
dynasties, but I couldn't tell you
why they chose Nick as the sheriff.
But it is clear that everybody
Ben: yeah, like they,
S. E.: every corner of every town.
Craig: like, he just has big cop energy.
They're
just like,
yeah, you just, you just
Emily: He was assigned cop at birth,
S. E.: So, okay.
What I love about that
is my wife had cannons.
Ben: really was.
S. E.: My wife had canons that
he is a trans woman, but he loves
being white and white power.
And I use those terms on purpose way
more than he can accept his transness.
And I was like, listen, what?
Ben: I'm
S. E.: how I feel about
Ben: I'm coming out of this movie
I don't have really more additional
evidence, other, but I'm still
sticking with my, I think the
good family are the real villains.
Mostly because I do not trust
the fucking cop who has now been
completely useless for two movies.
And also, he is the only one that got
wounded by Tommy, and Tommy does not
wound, Tommy just fucks your shit up with
Craig: Well, well, no.
Well, so like, he's from Sunnyside.
Emily: Tommy
Craig: the, yeah.
Oh no.
Tommy wasn't from Sunnyside.
Was
Emily: I thought
Tommy
Jeremy: No, Tommy is a
Ben: Shade, Tommy, Tommy's a
Emily: Sunny
Jeremy: but the goods are sunny
Ben: Yeah,
goods are sunny
Craig: yeah, so that's why, from
what I gathered, that's why Nick
wasn't killed, was because the
curse is only for Shadysiders.
Emily: that's right, yeah.
S. E.: Have all the
victims been Shadysiders?
Craig: I'm pretty sure, I don't
know,
Jeremy: mean, not in the first one, but
Emily: in
the first one, but in this one, yes.
Ben: I'm pretty sure he murders
a few equally I'm pretty sure any
camper he got his hands on got fuckin
S. E.: Well, and that would make
sense too because, you know, as, as
we'll get into in the next movie,
they talked about how before it was
Shadyside and Sunnyvale, it was Union.
It was one town called Union.
And that, the murders
started when it was Union.
So it makes
sense that they would, they would be both.
okay.
I just had to like walk myself through it.
but
I do think you're still on
to something there, Craig.
There's something there.
I wonder if the third film will
Craig: on, like, the shady side, side.
Like, the tree
Ben: I cannot
Craig: the, wrong side of the tracks.
Ben: A trilogy of movies expanding
the plotline from the Springfield vs.
Shelbyville Lemon Tree episode.
Emily: God!
Jeremy: Yeah, so far, I think the only
Sunny Valor who has been killed notably
is a boyfriend from the first movie,
Sam's
Ben: killed in Shadyside.
Jeremy: yeah, who was killed because
he was standing between the killer
and, the person he wanted to kill.
Ben: Also, once them bones
get It seems like there's two
kinds of murder sprees too.
There's the,
like, there's the regular murder spree,
and then there's you got my bones wet.
Craig: Yeah,
Jeremy: so Alicia,
S. E.: you get the bones
wet, you must fret.
Jeremy: Alicia did not
watch the first one.
She watched this one with me, and
she was like, what is this witch's
deal with her bones being wet?
Like, why is, what does
it make her so angry?
Emily: Witches
hate getting their bones wet.
S. E.: I wonder, if the
third movie will answer.
Craig: well, I think, oh, so, oh, okay.
So, so,
Emily: That's why she has all
that
sponge
Craig: me.
Stay with me.
So, all right.
I think in the next one, I think in
the next one we're gonna find out
that, you know, Sarah, fear we're
continuing the lesbian allegory.
And so because like Sarah Fear
was forced to either like.
conform to like a very like patriarchal
heterosexual, like heteronormative,
like society, like she was never
able to get wet while she was alive.
And so now that she's died, she just
gets pissed off because it reminds her,
like, it's all of the times that she
could have gotten wet when she was alive.
And so now she's just pissed off when she
gets wet, knowing that she can never fully
experience the joy of wetness in reality.
Emily: how dare you come
to me now when I am this?
Craig: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like, like now you want to get me wet?
Now
S. E.: makes it extra gay too
because it's always girl blood,
you know, so it's like
extra gay, you know?
It's like, okay, love it, I'm in.
Jeremy: that gets wet, it's
Ben: To make a heart pivot
into a new topic then.
do you Think Shagged, deic is a
real word from the seventies, or
you think they
Emily: not.
They,
Craig: That's Austin
Emily: from, that was
an Oster Powers bullfet.
I mean,
Ben: I love that that would be their
only research is watching the Austin
S. E.: Nooooooo!
Ben: movie.
Emily: that 70s show, like that's
the two things that they did and
yeah, there was that one girl that
was like, Oh yeah, it's so neato.
And I'm like, you guys,
you're on thin ice.
Craig: Jinkies.
Emily: Yeah, I know.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Jeremy: That would have
been right at home.
I would have been fine with that.
Especially considering Shaggy
is a member of this cast.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: the
S. E.: love that girl though, the
girl who says
Jeremy: is so shaggy.
S. E.: Oh, I
love that stoner, slut, hippie, woohoo!
Emily: Who was a Sunnyvale?
Ben: I no, she was a
S. E.: She's a shady
side, she's a sh yeah,
she's a
shady sider.
Emily: Oh, I
Ben: because
S. E.: She fucks the mayor.
she fucks future mayor
Ben: and then she's like,
now get out of here.
I can't be seen fucking, uh, Shadysider
otherwise they'll ruin my future mayor
Craig: Yeah.
S. E.: And then she
says just admit Shadyciders
do it better and likes a J
Emily: Yeah.
that's
right.
Ben: a boss.
Like a fu I I
so wish we'd gotten more of her.
S. E.: I'm going down on a slasher I
want to have just smoked a J listen
like I am
in like it's a vibe.
You're dead in a vibe.
Emily: I want to be shit faced.
I want to like meet that
death with a little death.
Like I want the little death and then
a medium death and then the big death
if that's going to be the order,
Jeremy: he shows up with the axe to slash
you and you're just like, haha, hilarious.
You have a huge bloody axe,
Craig: what are you doing dude?
Like what the
Ben: Just be like, lol, I'm gonna die,
Jeremy: That axe is way bigger than the
one you would need to kill me, okay?
You're really overdoing
it.
Emily: I know.
Trying to compensate for something,
S. E.: Tommy you could
just use your hands.
You are a big person
Ben: I still can't get over this camp
doing fucking Color War, where one team
has won every single year it's ever been
done, and whatever camp directors that
don't exist were like, this is fine, I see
no reason to change this, I'm sure this
isn't perpetuating fucked up inequalities.
Emily: I kind of wish they did like,
lean into the Lord of the Flies
kind of situation that we have here.
A little bit
Ben: Well, it's just like, to make
you collaborate and learn to get along
better be in direct competition with one
Jeremy: What do you mean they should
have leaned more into the Lord of
the Flies when Hudgey Jeremy was
the first one to get axed and they
literally were just like, show
his broken glasses on the floor.
Like, Alicia literally, literally
sitting next to me was like, oh piggy.
Emily: yeah.
S. E.: Also, like when, when Ziggy
finally gets away and is like,
or the first time and she's
like, I'm running for the bus
and the bus is like, fuck you.
And like,
they don't even check for
how many campers they have.
They're like, we don't even
fucking care about campers anymore.
If you're on the bus, you're on the bus.
Ben: No, I
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: believe that Mayor Brother
was like, 1, good enough, let's go!
S. E.: Fuck my brother.
I hate that kid.
Ben: one thing I liked that was
good foreshadowing was when they
had, Emily Rudd with the map
and navigating, I'm like, I get
it because she's gonna be Nami.
Emily: Yeah, that's something that they
absolutely were trying to foreshadow.
Ben: It was, it was that
Netflix cross brand synergy.
They're like, let's train people to
see Emily Rudd as a navigator now, and
then it'll pay off later down the line.
Emily: I will say though, she
fucking kicks ass as Nami.
Ben: Oh, she's great as Nami.
Emily: and you, like, anyway.
Ben: To the point where it was almost
distracting, where I'm like, Nami,
why don't you just ask Luffy for help?
Emily: You can't cut, Luffy!
He's rubber.
How did that happen?
Yohoho, he took a bite of gum
Ben: Is, the witch gonna
send a fishman after you,
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Ha
S. E.: so glad that you just said that.
I could not figure out where
I knew this bitch from, man.
I was like, why do I know her?
Tsunami,
Emily: It's weird, like.
Yeah,
S. E.: heart, oh,
Emily: yeah, the Nami, like her
being Nami and then like fucking,
Shanks being the dude that, girl
from, yeah, the fucking artist kid
that Shauna kills in Yellow Jackets.
Ben: Amazing!
Emily: yeah.
Ben: Also, I know, we didn't, what I was
trying to, the detail on the plot that
we didn't cover is, When Tommy slashes
Alice like the rope and Alice falls
back down into the cave, It is not just
a rope he slashes through, he beheads
Foggy Nelson's little brother in one
swing and then his headless body falls
with Alice on top of her broken leg.
Jeremy: Yes,
Emily: That
Jeremy: yes,
Emily: they're covered in
S. E.: in the shit pile, in
Ben: the
S. E.: what, what, outhouse is just
open onto a rock formation you shit on?
Jeremy: I had lots of questions
about this underground
Craig: think they call it Satan's rock?
Ben: if Alice had survived the amount
of antibiotics she would have needed,
Emily: right?
Craig: Yeah.
Emily: Right.
Well, so,
I think that the whole, well, the
outhouse wasn't, the outhouse wasn't
attached to the main hall, right?
Because the
S. E.: I
Ben: No, they're just shit, they're just
shit, they're just shitting in a cave.
Emily: I guess, like, somebody
was lazy and they were like,
where should we put the outhouses?
Where there's this hole right
here, with a shelf on it,
let's just use it as a toilet.
You know, it's the 70s, we
S. E.: Maybe that's believable.
Jeremy: there's that vent into the nurse's
office that leads down into the shit cave.
Like, what is that about?
S. E.: Which is next to the
Jeremy: put a floor
Ben: Why, why would you
even put a vent here for
Emily: maybe the
witch
moss?
Jeremy: You know that nurse has been
there, that's why she went insane,
not because her daughter, like,
turned into a killer, but she's
just been
S. E.: fumes.
Jeremy: shit every day.
Emily: yeah,
she's just, like,
methane
Ben: You just, put it off
the section of the shit vent.
Emily: God.
S. E.: so sick, y'all.
She just
needs meds.
Emily: she just needs some fresh fucking
air, unless the moss is just, growing
just because like it freshens the
Ben: okay, to bring up another camp
memory, when I was, mmm, I wanna say,
11?
10, like 10, 11?
well I just went to one
for a bunch of years,
uh, there, when I was 10 or 11 the
septic tank uphill burst, and it just
kind of rolled downhill and eventually
just made a shit moat around my bunk
in particular, and the camp was just
like, Welp, it's gonna take us a week
to fix that up, in the meantime, enjoy
your week of living with a shit moat!
Emily: Wait, is it your
bunk or like your cabin?
Ben: Cabin, we call them bunks.
Emily: Right, right, right, right, right,
Ben: Yeah, yeah, it was like,
just the cabin had a shitboat from
the Perceptic Tank, and they just, and
they were just like, Yep, that's fine.
Just let six ten year olds
live in that for a week.
Craig: Oh
Emily: Did you
S. E.: Camps are nightmares.
Emily: don't implicate yourself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Ben: that
Craig: Oh, okay.
Okay.
Just plead the fifth.
Plead the fifth.
Ben: Look, Hollywood gets really intense.
We've talked about this.
Jeremy: You were a minor, it's fine.
Emily: Cause like, that
motherfucker was like, oh, we're
gonna murder the Shadysiders.
And I'm
Ben: Well, to be fair, based on what,
the first movie, that just seems to
be their go to response for anything.
Craig: Yeah, that's,
Emily: no one's toned policing, so.
Craig: They're just terrible children.
Emily: they're
Ben: I mean, just think about
S. E.: There are no parents.
There are no parents in this town, so
Ben: I do hate to say it, but just
think about how easy it would be to
get away with murder in Shadyside.
When you can just go like, Awww, that
person got possessed by the witch, and
I had to kill him out of self defense,
y you just gotta trust me, witch!
Emily: I guess it works.
And this is before the Satanic Panic.
Oops a daisy.
yeah.
Craig: Yeah,
Ben: there's a 4 4, if there's a
4 Fear Street, that would be my
pitch for, like, the mid cool Fear
Street, where it's someone just being
like, Nah, I'm just really a crazy
person who wants to kill people.
S. E.: There is gonna be
A
fourth Fear Street.
Ben: Oh,
Craig: Oh, is there?
S. E.: Yeah, but I don't think
it's going to be connected.
It's called the Prom Queen.
They don't know, they haven't said if
Ben: Oh, I hope it's gay.
Fingers crossed.
S. E.: it should be a standalone,
so, file that away for third
interview conversation.
Because I've got things to say.
Anyways,
Ben: Yup.
It's gonna, it's gonna be
the fuckin Nurse Lane prequel
S. E.: it is, it's just all about
her.
Emily: better.
Ben: a,
Emily: Cause her
Ben: movie Oh, right.
That's so cool that she was the
lady, the old lady in the first
one, like who, with the kids, who,
S. E.: didn't notice that
the first time through.
It's only on the rewatch.
I was like, Oh, shit.
Yeah, I, so the real, you know, the real
hero of the film is obviously Alice,
uh, who is at every juncture super hot
gender non-conforming a he, all the things
you know, you're looking for in a hero.
She's amazing.
I, I like, I love that she's like
the way that, like they.
Jeremy: coitus.
S. E.: Yes, like, come on!
You know she's dying!
You don't have, there's no question
in your mind she's gonna die, right?
Like, you're Like,
you come in on her fucking, you're
like, I know how horror movies
work, I know how summer camp
slashers work, like, I got the memo,
but damn, she went
Ben: Well, Kate set the precedent
in the first movie that the best
character in the movie has to die.
Emily: yeah, I guess, yeah,
even
Craig: I
mean, that's, yeah, I mean,
that's like almost any movie.
It's just like, yeah, the best and most
interesting character in a horror movie.
They're, yeah, they're going to die
Ben: feel like the psychological
effects of living in this cursed town
of Shadyside, and the way it is, not
just supernaturally cursed, but also
just like, cursed in all the ways
hollowed out, impoverished towns really
are in America, I feel like Alice is.
Alice in general, and specifically
Alice in Sydney's scenes in the
caves, I feel like across these two
movies was the best the concept was
explored and humanized and just most
emotionally effectively delivered.
I really like Alice, I think
what she brings to the franchise
in terms of exploration of
class, of poverty, of self harm.
she feels like the most complex,
three dimensional, and just viscerally
human character in the series.
Craig: for sure.
Yeah.
Definitely the, like, the one character
that, like, brings the most, I feel like,
in terms of actual characterization.
S. E.: It's like you believe that
Shadyside is fucking people up, right?
Like, there's something sort of
missing in the first film in terms
of like that deeper, because you're
just, you're so stuck in teen angst.
I think the angst is sort of
like, so actively unfolding.
There's no sort of distance or point
of reflection, whereas because of
Alice and Cindy being ex friends, which
is my, one of my favorite dynamics
or ex girlfriends as I'm reading it.
And
apparently I'm just really insightful.
So, um, you know, I, I think
that's just like such a fun to have
that animosity in the backdrop.
And then now they have to work together.
It brings out so many humanizing moments.
Like you were saying, Ben, I really,
I really did like it despite the,
uh, the cave being oddly well lit.
I was like, I was a little grateful for it
versus, you know, a lot of Game of Thrones
and other things that were just maybe a
little bit dark, a little bit hard to.
Ben: Well, what I also really liked with
the sisters, I feel like the sisters
were a nice encapsulation of Shadyside
in that you got to see, the half that
tries desperately to prove themselves
better than the curse and get out of
Shadyside, and those who kind of just
Jeremy: Go down with both
middle fingers in the air.
Ben: Yeah, but also just kind of like,
especially Ziggy at the beginning
of the movie is really kind of just
like letting herself wallow in the
misery of the curse and kind of how
both sides resent each other either
for their rejection or acceptance.
And, it all just felt real, like
the poverty and desperation and
emotional destruction of the town,
especially through these sisters,
it just felt a lot more real to me
than it felt in the first movie.
Emily: I Mean if there is something to
be said about the microcosm of camp,
Ben: Yeah, Yeah, I think,
I think you nailed it.
I think you nailed it.
S. E.: And it made them really,
instead of what we saw in the first
film that I thought Jeremy pointed
out so well, this sort of like set
piece set piece set set set set set.
Like movement movement
movement move through
Ben: This, This, was much less a video
S. E.: exactly, yeah yeah
yeah, and it, it made it where.
You could revisit places
and so they felt resonant.
They felt like, oh, we're
back in the latrine.
The latrine isn't just, oh they did that
Carrie moment with Sheila and then, oh
my gosh, now Tommy's attacking them.
It's also the first time we meet Cindy
is like scrubbing a toilet, you know, and
she's like very frustrated
about that because she's,
better than toilets now, right?
And I think that's like such a,
it's such a fun way that they were
able to sort of really dig into that
and then oh my god the tree is also
the cave where the beating heart is
and it really makes them put their all
their pieces in the same playing field
in a way that ends up being really
rich that I think is really cool.
They got kind of bogged down
in the first movie of trying to
really like establish these places.
And it's like, you're
overthinking your concept.
Like we're not, we're all alive.
And most of us live in the United States.
Like we're pretty aware of the divide.
Emily: yeah,
Ben: where, I think where the first
movie kind of had a mismatch was, it
was trying to explore a whole town the
way Scream did, but Scream also took
place over the course of like, A week?
Or even more?
Like, several days passed,
over the course of Scream.
Whereas that first Fear Street
is primarily in, like, one night.
So you had, like, that
mismatch of scope and momentum.
Whereas This camp, again, like one great,
one horrible massacre night, is a lot more
fitting for this enclosed location of the
camp, and overall I think you nailed it,
as the, I think the movies just benefits
from that tighter focus on the camp
and letting that be a richer location.
Jeremy: I feel like you have the
option of having a lot of sets or a
lot of set pieces a lot of characters
or a lot of character development.
I feel like you can choose
maybe two of those and get by.
And the first one tried to do all three.
And I feel like lost out on
the character development side.
Because this conversation in the
cave, like as critical as I am
of this movie and that there are
things that I don't like about like
just basic plot things about it.
The, uh, that conversation that the
two of them have in the cave is, like,
stand out to me and in the series so
far, uh, because, like, even though
there's not sort of the explicit romantic
relationship that they have in the first
one between Dina and Sam, like, this
is much more the conversation I would
have liked to hear Dina and Sam have.
Uh, instead of like, being like, 9 tenths
of the way through the movie and Sam's
like, I just don't know, it's very hard!
Like
Ben: a level of connection and
understanding that this movie Also,
one more needle drop that I gotta point
out is fuckin Nurseline says, You're
gonna die tonight, and then Don't Fear
the Reaper immediately starts playin
S. E.: my
God.
So
Emily: like this movie's
the score in this movie
was actually really good.
Like I really enjoyed the score.
It was not like a unique score,
but I thought it was effective.
And it
also was enough to punctuate between
the actual licensed music drops, which,
so I, and I felt like they actually did
better with the, with the music drops.
It was less
Ben: agreed, agreed.
There was nothing as crazy as
like, three needle drops in like
20 seconds, like the first one did.
Jeremy: I think, I mean, I, I
don't know how much of that results
from the people making this movie
being 90s kids and being like,
uh, we got to fit this in and we got to
fit this in and we got to fit this in.
Ben: I've come around on the
Cypress Hill, uh, Radiohead.
Yeah,
Emily: I mean, that was
Ben: y'all, y'all, y'all, I had some
time to sit on it and y'all convinced me
Jeremy: yeah, I, I think, I thought they
did a lot better with it in this one.
I still don't think the people
directing and then scoring this film.
know how to build tension, which is sort
of an unfortunate thing for a thriller,
like, it was the same in the first
one, I mean, obviously, for obvious
reasons, we compare it to Stranger
Things, Stranger Things is very good
at building tension, it's very good at
like, scoring it and delaying and putting
things together in a way that you're
like edge of your seat and that's half
of like the bread and butter of that
show and this one is just like it just
doesn't for the brutality like they
get the gore and stuff really well on
this but like There's no like build up.
He just runs in and starts
hacking people like every time
Ben: criticize, when we did, when we
talked about Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I
talked about how I laughed at the scene
where The people just walked into the
house one by one and then just like got
killed like they were on a conveyor belt
and that's kind of how Tommy felt the
whole movie where like he would just
show up and legit and again like five
times someone just goes, Tommy, deer in
the headlights, axe in the face, like,
smash cut to the next scene.
Emily: I feel like there is a certain
amount, the amount of self awareness
in this movie really makes it so you
can't, like, I don't know, like, I think
that there's sort of an understanding
that, you know, the tropes, so there's
no real, effort to build up tension
because you know where the story's going.
It's just, you're watching this
because you know what's gonna happen.
This is a slasher.
You're here for the slashing.
And, maybe, like, some character stuff.
And some cool magic, which they did have.
Again, like I was saying last time,
I felt like the, this is something
that's like a nice alternative
to actual Friday the 13th Part 1.
Ben: yeah, much better,
Emily: yeah, and it's like a lot more fun
to watch, but it's also, it's having fun
Jeremy: They do give tommy a literal
bag head like friday the 13th part 2 so
Ben: which I will admit once she put the
bag on, I'm like, ah, from the guy with
the bag from the action, the first movie.
Ah, I get it
Emily: yeah.
Ben: I felt dumb for not putting that
together until then, but I got there.
Emily: I could see this
as sort of a multiverse.
where there's a witch and she's like a
horror fan and she's bringing all of these
horror characters to life to fight people.
But you know, that costs a
lot of money and copyright and
Jeremy: she's just been down
there in her cave for a hundred
years watching horror movies, just
like
Emily: yeah.
Ben: I, I know we talked before about
how like, how weird it is that this whole
thing is like, a story Ziggy is telling.
And when we were talking about
it before, I'm like, oh yeah,
maybe, you know, she just guessed
at the various, murder scenes.
But now I'm realizing, like, imagine
being Dina and Josh, hearing Ziggy act
out this conversation between Sydney
and Alice that she was not there for.
Jeremy: I like the idea that, like,
she's telling this story and she doesn't
know that Cindy and Alice were just like
non stop fucking for like five years.
Like,
Emily: This just gave
them the benefit of the
doubt.
Jeremy: just, they were not just
girlfriends, like, they were, they
were really, like, together for this
time, and just as the younger sister,
she just had no idea, like, she just,
S. E.: version of it where it's like,
Oh, they really fell out for some reason.
No
one would know,
What could it
Ben: Just, Just,
hardcore fucking.
Emily: Although I will say this,
in that conversation between
Cindy and Alice, Alice reveals
her, like, suicidal, ideation.
Ben: we definitely need to talk about,
well, that didn't seem like suicidal
ideation, that seemed more like self harm
Emily: Oh, it's a self, okay, I mean,
self harm cutting, yeah, I mean,
there's, there's, yeah, that's a good
Ben: Those are different, both
very serious topics that need
to be taken very seriously.
Emily: but I mean, at the time, the wrist
slashing was considered, like a, suicidal.
because I remember, I mean, even
in the 90s, when you see people
with, like, if they have bandages
around their wrists and stuff.
There was an assumption that
that was a suicide attempt.
Now we understand that
there's like a difference,
psychology and stuff like that.
I mean, sometimes, sometimes it depends.
Ben: if you're in the 70s, it might be
Ryan Gosling having punched out a window.
How
Emily: I mean, sadly Ryan
Gosling is not present here.
So we can only assume we have a fewer
Ben: great would Ryan
Gosling in a horror movie be?
Emily: I thought he was in several, but
anyway, but what I wanted to say was,
Cindy really like totally like sidetracked
the conversation where Alice is like,
Yeah, I've been cutting myself and this
is why I wear my, my, my punk rock, like,
armbands or whatever, like my wristbands.
Jeremy: turned into accessorizing.
Emily: Yeah.
And then Sydney's like, Oh, what is that?
Is that the outhouse?
Jeremy: She just no sold
Alice's admission that she had
Emily: yeah, yeah,
Jeremy: for years.
She was just like, okay,
did you see that
moss over there?
Craig: yeah, she definitely
just like kind of like skates
past it just like, oh, yeah,
Emily: which like,
Jeremy: If she had gone, la
la la, it would have been a
little more subtle, I think.
Emily: but you know,
that's also that's Gen X
Jeremy: Yeah, I mean, that's, so also,
like, we do have a section on here for
health and physical disability, I mean, I
don't think there was much in the way of
physical disability in this, but there's
a lot of, like, definitely deals with
mental illness and mental health in a
way that is more thorough than that is
a pile of beer cans in the first one.
Ben: Well, we get the, we get Nurse
Lane and I guess they're Tylenol?
That seems like a lot
of buildup for Tylenol.
Jeremy: She just had Tylenol in
an unmarked, I don't know, like,
Craig: yeah, I'm like pill
bottle.
But yeah, I thought that there was
going to be something that came of that,
like, because at one point, like Tommy
was like saying that he had a headache.
And I was like, Oh, maybe like they were
trying to like allude to like the nurse
also like being possessed, but then it
was revealed that she wasn't possessed.
She just found out that
Tommy was possessed and was
trying to protect everyone.
Emily: Yeah.
Craig: It was just
S. E.: It felt like for a movie
that was like, I'm not gonna tell
you a lot of the things, 'cause
you know what this format does.
They were very concerned
about that specific like
Craig: yeah, they came back to the Tylenol
S. E.: for like, it's like, let it go
Jeremy: I really needed somebody to have
just, like, a blood pressure issue at
some point and then they're like, hold on,
we've got a bunch of acetaminophen, just
Ben: Well, I'm waiting for
it to be like, I don't know,
does that like stop bleeding?
Is that being like, this is how we'll keep
S. E.: that's what Nick gave her at the
end
Ben: it and then we And then
that'll stop us bleeding and then
we won't get the bones whacked.
Emily: Doesn't
acetaminophen thin your
Ben: that's the key.
Oh, okay, so nevermind that, I don't know
what Okay, but does the movie know that?
S. E.: Listen, that's a bigger
Ben: on the medical knowledge
that it's already established?
Jeremy: I know it's, something we talked
about last time with the other movie,
but use of CPR in the end of this movie
really kills me because like, maybe the
EpiPens and the CPR would have worked
and not actually just killed Sam at the
end of the first movie, but like it.
The idea, like, they created this
concept that she had died, and they
had a whole movie to set up where and
how they were going to do it, and they
chose stab to death, like, a hundred
times, and they were like, and then we
have to bring her back, so I guess CPR,
it's like, you could have done anything.
She
could have
S. E.: could have
drowned her in a pond,
like, would have been connected
to the first movie, and connected
to Sleepaway Camp, which it's
also clearly commenting on.
It's like, you could have, you
could have, you could have!
Ben: They had a whole movie, and what
they went with was playing a Red vs.
Blue joke completely seriously.
Jeremy: Yeah, so like, the only two
things we knew about this story going in
was that the protagonist's name was C.
Berman, and that they died and came
back in order to survive, and they,
like, They twisted the first one and
then just fucked up the second one.
Like, I was just like, that's all
you had to get right in the story.
And you chose to like, do
a, do a shitty twist in one.
And then the other one, you just like,
we're like, whatever, I guess CPR.
Ben: I know we didn't talk
much about Sadie Sink it's
just Max from Stranger Things,
right?
Emily: yeah,
absolutely.
Like, it's the same
Craig: yeah, no, yeah, the
character is just, yeah, they, they
didn't really do a whole lot with
Ben: This might as well be
Max's summer camp spinoff.
Jeremy: Max had a prissy older sister
instead of a shitty older brother.
Ben: Yes,
Emily: They don't talk about the
prissy older sister because she
died by, like, witch or something.
Ben: yeah.
if I had a nostalgic horror Netflix series
where Sadie Sink gets an older bro older
sibling killed, I'd have two nickels.
Emily: yeah, for real.
For real.
Jeremy: Weird.
It happened twice though.
Emily: honestly, though, going back,
certainly back to the, uh, questions
that we have and, you know, how this
movie deals with mental health and mental
illness, I think, the very little that
it does deal with, You know, the fact
that it's like, yeah, it's a thing, but
it doesn't really go into it, considering
the other medical kind of things that
happen in this movie, I'm pretty glad
that they don't, because I, I feel like
there could be a really whoopsie doodle
Jeremy: They're not equipped for it.
Emily: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: mean, I do, the only
thing I can think of is the
way fuckin Nick fuckin Cop Jr.
piece of shit, I, okay, the fact
that all of Nick's arc in this
movie was like, I'm different, I'm
one of the good ones, actually,
no, I suck, oh, he did,
he, he did, I'm, he did,
I'm not like other girls,
and that was his whole fuckin
deal, oh, what a piece of shit.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: of shit.
S. E.: he was like, I'm edgy
because I read Stephen King, and
then when she's like, it's kind
of edgy to read Stephen King, he's
like, everyone reads Stephen King!
And you're like, what is happening?
Ben: Like, the way that we get to see
how high costs are people who benefit
from another place's or another people's
marginalization, while crazy, while
yes, these violent acts are the result
of witch possession, it is in this
metaphorically, we do get to kind of see
how legitimate, How, like, legitimate
grievances are turned against their
heads, where legitimate resistance
is turned into, like, Oh, they were,
they didn't actually have a good
reason, they must have just been crazy.
Emily: I do think, I do wish that
there were some more of, I don't know,
connecting threads with the witch
and Seraphir and like, that there was
more to it than her just being like
a free, I mean, we get to find out a
Ben: I mean, I my hope is that that
comes together in the third one, but
Craig: more movie that's like all
Emily: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, I guess,
like, and I don't remember it very well.
I remember a couple things from it,
but I don't remember it very well, so,
you know, I'm just gonna put a stopper
in that bottle for right now until
we can, um, open her up next week.
Ben: I'm very excited for
next week when we get to play
the, I recognize that actor.
What character are they playing this time?
Emily: yeah, it was A real acting
challenge, maybe, for the people in
this film series, maybe a, like, I
don't know, some kind of exercise where
they're like, alright, now you're in
the 90s, okay, now you're all fucking,
like, 1666, like, little house on
the prairie, like, fucking, we're not
even that, like, even, yeah, like,
Puritans,
S. E.: I think it's nothing but gold.
I think it is such a like, I think
it's the only way the franchise works.
I think that it would
make no sense without it.
Yes, exactly.
That's my favorite line of the third
Emily: Yeah, that's the one I remember.
Ben: I, do have a game for us.
I do have a Southern
proposed for next week.
Uh, you know, most places have a.
You know, you see, CEOs of
business have a swear jar.
You swear, you put a quarter in.
So I propose every time we reference the
Vivich next week, we give them, we give
a dollar to Doctors Without Borders.
Emily: I don't know if I want to
commit to that just because I don't
want to commit everybody to that.
Ben: time we do it, I'll donate a
dollar to Doctors Without Borders.
Emily: I mean, I'll help you
with that, but like, it's
Jeremy: I'm not gonna
reference the vivage, so, you
know, it's gonna be you too.
Emily: then I'm just gonna, the whole
time I'm gonna be like, live deliciously,
live deliciously, live deliciously every
Ben: well, I just imagine I'll be like,
well, man, hmm, this colonial era horror
movie sure does remind me of the only
other colonial era horror movie I've seen,
is just what I'm anticipating from myself.
Jeremy: What, you haven't seen
fucking Hocus Pocus, motherfucker?
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: I sta I
Emily: Yeah.
Craig: actually
Emily: Then the movie that we watched
for your birthday, Hokey Pokey.
Is that where Hokey Pokey comes from?
Ben: Ooh,
S. E.: You know what it's
making me think of is
when in
Legend, in Legends of Tomorrow,
when Sarah Lance travels to
the Salem Witch Trial, she
starts
Ben: She does, she be
S. E.: She's like, yeah,
you're like, Sarah.
Ben: that show was Sarah Lance
Bangs Her Way Through Time.
S. E.: then, and that was the greatest
conceit for a television show ever made.
It was perfect.
Craig: Eat your heart out, Doctor Who.
S. E.: Yeah, suck it.
Oh, what?
You're, you're gay and trans?
I don't care, doctor.
I'm just kidding.
It's awesome.
I'm very happy
about it.
Very on
Ben: Sarah Lance has never
been added to the comics.
It's just like Black Canary's time
traveling bisexual little sister.
Emily: I'm pretty sure that there were
fewer actors that played her that are
TERFs than there are actors that are
play I mean, I just am thinking, like,
in terms of the number of people on TERF
Island, That are TERFs, and like, how
many of them have been in Doctor Who, i.
e.
all of them.
Jeremy: hmm.
I was gonna say, I don't think any,
at least modern Doctors?
are,
Emily: know, the modern doctors are.
No, I'm talking about, like, just
Ben: Yeah, David Tennant will just
fucking show up at the airport
wearing a Protect Trans Kids
Emily: Oh yeah, no, David Tennant is, is
Ben: David Tennant, David Tennant
is as real as real ones get.
Emily: I have a lot of complex
emotions about David Tennant, and
they're mostly he's really hot,
but anyway, the, um, doctors,
Jeremy: they're mostly,
S. E.: okay?
You
Craig: Yeah!
Jeremy: Scrooge
S. E.: Emily, you gotta like cool
off for
Ben: right there?
Anywho,
Craig: Somebody dry her
bones, dry her bones.
She's going, she's going full witch.
Ben: We
Emily: bones are too wet.
I'm going to start cursing Raw Murder
Jeremy: Okay, okay, the next question
in the questions is about race
and social justice, which is maybe
completely fails on the race side.
There's a lot of, like,
class social justice stuff.
The race stuff is bad.
It's not,
not
existent.
S. E.: The only thing I will say is I
don't know that I wanted to see Tommy
kill a lot more brown people and black
people is all I'll
say.
Like I was kind of, I'm
like at a level, on a level.
I'm okay with it because
this just seems like
Craig: This is definitely
like the cannon fodder movie,
S. E.: This is white
people's business, you
Craig: Yeah, hehehehehehehehehehehehe
Ben: with the, I, I fuckin
love horror movies, y'all.
Emily: Me too.
Jeremy: I gotta say, what a, like,
Craig: That's hilarious.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Stein here had that there
is, some sort of a force in America
at work that, like, only kills,
disadvantaged and black and brown people.
who could imagine something like that?
It just passes by the rich kids.
It doesn't bother them.
What
S. E.: say,
Jeremy: a concept.
S. E.: is film three, I will either
be vindicated or I will be shunned.
I think those are the only two options
Ben: I liked this.
I I thought this was a I thought
this was a fun slasher movie.
Emily: this was
a
S. E.: was
Ben: Also, on the queer issue they
upgraded from tying up Sam with a phone
cord to tying her up with rope, so.
S. E.: right, right.
To the radiator,
Ben: Yeah, I do like that Sam
is completely useless as a
Craig: so that's like,
that's like what, okay.
So, yeah, I was thinking about that
at the beginning of the movie and it's
one of the tropes that I really hate in
horror movies where it's the let's like
tie up the dangerous person in another
room where we're not watching them.
Like,
S. E.: this'll be fine.
Craig: like, yeah, I'm like, you
could literally like tie them up
in the room where you're talking
and, able to look at them and like,
it's, it would work the same way.
It would have the same effect.
Actually, it'd probably be better
because they always slip away.
And then it's like 10 minutes later
and someone's like, it's too quiet.
And then they like go in
there and the person's gone.
Jeremy: Listen,
like,
I know it's not the movie they're trying
to make, but the fact that Sam as a
cheerleader came into this and Sam is
like, possessed, tied up, and just like
doing flips and dropkicks to beat her way
Ben: why not?
Ruby Ruby Lane gets me like this
fuckin 1970s Stevie Nicks singin
murder song, bird, why can't
Sam be the murder cheerleader?
Emily: Sure.
Jeremy: I just wanted to do one sort
of like, Tony Jaa forward flip drop.
Ben: mean, talk about like, kind of
there being a little lack of Tension
in that present day storyline where
it's like, well, we tied up the radio.
This is fine.
We can listen to a two hour story now.
It's cool.
I thought the movie was going to
end with, oh shit, the hand is
buried in sunny, in Shadyside mall.
And that's where we're going to start.
Act three is like, we got to at
least get the hand out of the mall,
but then just go to like, oh no,
with zero resistance or problems, we
snuck into the mall and got the hand.
Emily: nobody
Ben: peasy.
We, we, we solved it, we solved that
plot conundrum in about 40 seconds.
Emily: Listen, they, they tied Sam
to the radiator because she knew
she, they knew she'd be distracted
by the lady in the radiator
because that's the kind of hipster.
Craig: Lady.
Yeah.
Emily: heaven.
And like, anyway, this
is an eraser head joke.
When I was that age, I was
watching that movie constantly.
S. E.: actually, Jeremy, you're the
one that made me think of all of this.
Like, why, okay, so you made this
great point where you're like, C
Berman is certain that it's not over.
Emily: Yeah.
S. E.: But, so what's, if I'm being very,
very dense, it's okay, you can tell me.
What's with the clocks?
Jeremy: there's, there's no explanation in
Ben: nothing.
I, I
also wanted to ask that,
yeah, there's nothing.
Emily: okay, let me see if I can
Jeremy: This is like, somebody came up
S. E.: Maladaptive coping.
Ben: she was just diagnosed with OCD
completely independently 12 years later.
Emily: Oh, good, I mean,
that's, that'll happen,
Ben: Yeah.
Jeremy: it to be,
I
S. E.: I buy PTSD.
Jeremy: something about surviving,
uh, given her some sort of like time
slipping thing, like, she was having
some sort of, I don't know, PTSD, where
she couldn't, she was losing time or
something, but
S. E.: going to mean something.
I wish it was going to
mean
Emily: there was like, there was more
to it other than like, she just can't
figure out how to program an alarm
clock that absolutely existed at that
time alarms.
Jeremy: was like an opening to
a Breaking Bad episode, but they
never came back to the thing.
Like, cause Breaking Bad always had
those, like, long, like, Here's a crazy
fucking scene, and you don't know what
it means, but you're gonna spend the
rest of this episode thinking about
it, and then it shows up 45 minutes
later, and you're like, Oh shit!
This is the thing!
This is the thing!
And then, like, they
didn't come back to it.
Ben: If I could play just like, Armchair
Quarterback and like, and fanfic a
scene into the movie, I would've done
where like, where she's at her house
and it's just like, and to this day
she's still just being like, plagued by
visions of the witch and Seraphir, and
only like, the buzzing of the clocks is
like, She needs only that as enough to
rouse her into reality enough to just
like, be even like, semi functional.
And then that's an explanation for both
the clocks, and why she's always just
like, It's never ends, it's never over.
S. E.: love it.
Emily: Yeah, that
works.
Solved.
Craig: did it.
You should write this movie.
S. E.: one thing, one thing about C
Berman though, when she takes her little
dog and she's like, I'm going to keep
you safe because they're coming back.
And she puts that little
dog in the closet.
Ben: Watching that with the
week I had that I told you about
before we started recording, Awww.
S. E.: That fucked me up.
Ben: They fucked me up big time.
Jeremy: Guys,
is this movie feminist?
Ben: mean,
S. E.: It's feminish.
Emily: not,
yeah, it's not not
Ben: of Node are women.
Emily: yeah, it's better than some
movies, but I think in terms of, I
S. E.: That's a very true statement.
Emily: is it more feminist than
the original Friday the 13th?
Jeremy: Yes.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: There are
S. E.: Definitely more feminist
than
sleepaway camp.
Emily: but in the original Friday
the 13th, it was Jason's mom, and
I think that was kind of feminist.
Jeremy: I mean, except for this
mom was completely defined by her
connection to her child, but you know,
Emily: I mean, she did, yeah, I guess
she didn't really, if we're talking
about Jason, then yeah, that Bechdel test
doesn't, no, no one's winning that one.
Because all she cared about was, all
she talked to anybody about was Jason.
All of her communication
is
about her boy.
Jeremy: my boy!
yeah, not only Freddy the 13th, I
think that's noted in the series.
yeah, I've now watched all the
Freddy the 13th movies, some
Ben: Oof.
Jeremy: better.
Ben: Are any of them I understand
that some of them are better
but are any of them good?
Jeremy: arguably.
I really enjoy Jason X.
It's really
Ben: Yes, that's the one I wanna watch
Jeremy: It's, it's genuinely stupid.
But it's fun.
All the later ones are bad.
4 and 6 are pretty good.
Ben: I did watch The only ones I've seen
are the original and like the 2009 one.
Jeremy: yeah, cause 4 is the one that
has, Corey Feldman, I think, in it,
Emily: Yeah, that's the
final, the final chapter
Jeremy: Yeah, which is, is more of a,
like, well made traditional slasher
and five is, five is right after that,
it is the worst one, uh, and then six
is, is Jason Lives, where he, like,
this is the first one that establishes
Jason as a force that, like, he is
literally resurrected by a lightning
bolt hitting his tombstone, and then
he just, like, Pulls himself out of the
grave and runs around, runs around going
back to his old camp to murder people
Despite having just been resurrected from
the grave like 10 years after he died.
He's like, well back to
killing kids of camp So that
Craig: I mean, wouldn't you?
S. E.: Back to basics, you
know?
Back to
basics.
Emily: dreams, you
Jeremy: yeah
Craig: Oh
Jeremy: is like I have a lot of like
criticisms of the bits of story that
don't make sense in this Which the
six Jason lives is just sort of like
that to the extreme if you're gonna
do stuff That doesn't make sense.
Just lean into it really like
fucking go for it and I can respect
that like Jupiter ascending I
got nothing bad to say about that
movie.
It doesn't make a lick of fucking sense.
It is about a
S. E.: But the vibes are on, the vibes are
on
Jupiter
Jeremy: moment,
S. E.: that's
it.
Jeremy: the moment where they're like,
yeah, bees don't fucking sting Eliza,
dude, because she's a princess and bees
S. E.: Mila Kunis.
Mila
Jeremy: Mila Kunis.
sorry,
Ben: Yeah.
S. E.: If it was Eliza Dushku,
I would be preaching about
this movie.
Ben: just
Craig: That movie, yeah,
probably would have been
good if that was
Ben: bees would sting King Charles.
I believe in my heart of hearts,
bees would sting King Charles.
S. E.: Don't worry,
cancer already got him.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: fact that they're like,
Ben: Buzz buzz!
Jeremy: They come out and
they're just like, yeah, bees
fucking know space royalty and
that's why they don't stingers.
It's just like the wildest matter of
fact shit anybody's ever said in a movie.
And when it happened, I laughed and
then I was like, fine, accept it.
S. E.: Yeah.
I'm
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: What that movie needed
was the energy of Speed Racer,
with that level of bullshit.
Just combine those two and, oh,
Jeremy: Channing Tatum plays a
werewolf with rocket boots, man.
A werewolf with
Emily: fully I
Ben: That sounds pretty great!
I
Emily: I mean Have you not
seen Jupiter Ascending, Ben?
Ben: haven't.
Craig: Oh,
S. E.: Oh
Emily: Oh my god, it is the most movie.
S. E.: It's a Wachowski film, right?
Emily: yeah, Yeah, it is
one of the most movies.
S. E.: Super queer, in
like the weirdest way.
Jeremy: I mean we talked about the
queer themes such as they are in
this movie you know, It's all sort
of like It's there, it's kinda under
the surface, unlike the first movie,
which is very explicit about it.
S. E.: But I would, I would
just say because this movie
includes the framing narrative,
That does change it.
If it was like, if they really kept
it like, this era's this movie, this
era's this movie, this era's this
movie, I think there's a little bit
more room of like, ehh, but because
it's framed in it, I think it works.
I
Jeremy: Well, I think like, the one
thing that bothers me in that respect,
and that they could, like, have made
the Alice thing explicit, is that, like,
they prioritize the relationship between
the boy and the girl character, making
that part of the overall narrative,
her relationship to cop boy, boy cop,
S. E.: Ziggy and Nick?
Okay.
Mm
Jeremy: is, like, that is an important
part of the plot, whereas, like, the,
you know, Alice relationship drops out.
If C.
Berman had actually been her sister
and she'd been like, yeah, you know, I
really loved Alice or maybe that's her
like motivation for actually helping
them is like, Y'all remind me of me and
I, you know, I lost my girlfriend to
this scenario before this, which isn't
going to take another lesbian from us.
Uh, like, you know, I feel like.
That could have been more interesting
to me than, you know, obviously
they're going to do something with
the good family in this last one.
They're really setting it up.
But
like, we've talked non stop on
this show about how like, useless,
cops are in horror movies and to,
like, just go to such lengths to
Craig: And only in horror movies, yeah.
Jeremy: like, specifically.
Craig: No, yeah.
S. E.: think that's,
that's like, you know how horror
films are like, I'm dealing
with some truth inside of you?
That's one of those where it's
like, I'm dealing with the truth.
Craig: yeah.
Well, that's what, yeah, honestly,
that's why I recently watched
Seven for the first time,
and I was like, oh, this might actually
be, like, the best cop movie ever, because
it's, like, One of the few movies about
cops that's like, I feel like isn't
copaganda because it's like, oh, hey,
there are two things that the cops can do.
They can be useless or they can like,
be like, so like disillusioned and
deranged that they end up like, Just
taking the law into their own hands.
S. E.: And there's a third option, I'm
just going to say, we'll talk about next
Craig: or yeah.
mean, like, uh, what is it like, Morgan
Freeman's like speech essentially
about like, picking up like the,
like putting the pieces of the
puzzle together, essentially like
having the puzzle and just like waiting
for like the last piece, and it's just
like, yeah, all we do is like archive
and document at like, we don't actually
really like solve most of the crimes.
Like we just, we're just here to
like make sure that like, if one day
somehow, some way this needs to be
used in a court case that it's like.
able to be pulled from the
archive that we have of things.
And that's really the main focus,
like the main role that we have.
And it's like, yeah, that's like the
best case scenario, given like, given
like most cops in like most things,
S. E.: doing the
Craig: fictional and like, yeah.
And in reality usually turned out to
be useless or violent and corrupt.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I, I've, I've done a of talking
S. E.: inside the
Jeremy: Harbour as, as Jim Hopper
is the only good cop in horror.
And that's mostly because he's just
fighting bigger systems the whole time.
like,
Craig: like, yeah.
only way
that you,
Jeremy: trying to against the
government or the FBI or like
whatever bigger system is
Craig: there's literally like nothing
like yeah, there's no like he's not in
any way like doing like anything that
has anything to do with actual police
work at that point like by the time
like the like third like second or third
season comes around he's just like okay
like I guess we're like uncovering an
international plot of interdimensional
creatures that are coming to kill people.
My adoptive, slash surrogate daughter.
Okay.
Jeremy: yeah, basically by like the third
season, he's like, I'm just using the
fact that I'm still technically a cop
to keep other people off of our trail.
Craig: Yeah.
Emily: Yeah.
Craig: And commandeer
vehicles when needed.
Emily: Bless
Jeremy: and I only commandeered
them from douchebags.
Craig: Yeah.
Jeremy: yeah.
Ben: for this role and I
am never doing that again.
I
Jeremy: Yeah, I think that answers
all of our questions, except
do we recommend this movie?
Do we feel like this is
worth people watching?
Ben: mean, I had fun with it.
Yeah, I mean, like Know what it is.
This is a fun, gory,
throwback slasher movie.
If you're down for that, I think
you're gonna have a fun time, even
if it doesn't totally hold up.
It's got some great characters
and a lot of throwing kills.
But if you're not here for just, you know,
uh pretty pure slasher, then this movie
isn't gonna be the one that convinces ya.
Emily: I would recommend it just as
much as I would recommend any, any
of the like, watchable slashers,
like, because I feel like this movie,
you don't need to do the homework
because it is basically what it is.
It's not, you know, a reference so much
as that it's just like an updated version.
Jeremy: Yeah, and we talked a lot about
the shorthand if it's in the first movie.
I find it much more comfortable
shorthand in this one.
Like, yeah, you know, it's Sleepaway Camp,
you know, Friday the 13th, you know what
a camp is like, and they don't get as
bogged down in the plot as the first one.
Emily: Exactly.
Jeremy: I would recommend
it as part of this trilogy.
If you're not watching the trilogy,
I don't think there's any particular
reason to choose this one.
I think the things that it's doing
that are interesting and inventive
are the trilogy aspects of it.
A lot of, like we were saying, a lot
of the things about the story itself,
about the movie itself, are shorthand.
They're a pastiche of
these types of movies.
they do have some, some interesting
characters and some good performances.
I think both the actresses playing the
sisters are standouts, as is, Alice.
Which are the only characters that
really matter, like Boy Cop is a plot
device more than anything at this point.
And his brother really doesn't matter.
He's on
Ben: um,
Jeremy: the time shit starts going
Ben: that shoe is gonna
drop and I'm waiting for it.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: And, uh, yeah, and the,
teen slasher boy is pretty good
at standing in doorways with a
with an axe and looking menacing.
Like, that's all he really needs to do.
Emily: y'all?
Ben: Yeah, I mean, I would recommend, well
fuck it, of course how could you recommend
anything else, Wet Hot American Summer.
S. E.: Absolutely.
Ben: You
S. E.: other,
Ben: was coming.
S. E.: because, because Wet Hot
American Summer is like, let's
take a horror film and turn every
horrible thing into slapstick.
Emily: Yeah.
S. E.: And It's wonderful.
Emily: Things, but comedy more.
S. E.: It's wonderful.
It
makes so little sense.
It is so ridiculous.
And I would watch Janine
Garofalo in anything.
And she's
perfect.
Her and David Hyde Pierce?
Stop it.
I would watch David Hyde Pierce play
a straight man for the rest of time.
He is, no one is funnier doing that.
Jeremy: two of them playing
a couple is just hilarious
Ben: also you get to remember when
Bradley Cooper wasn't too good for
S. E.: Right!
Oh right, and he plays
one of the gay boys.
That's right,
that's right.
I mean
Craig: I mean, he's still in,
um, Guardians of the Galaxy.
Ben: Yeah.
S. E.: boy, that's a good point.
He's like, I will sign that check happily.
Uh, yeah, I would recommend this one,
I think, especially if you like summer
camp slashers, I agree with Jeremy,
it'd be silly to watch it a standalone.
If you're going to commit to the hour
and a half, commit to the trilogy.
it's worth it.
I think, you know, if I was going
to recommend another film, there is,
if you want something just do it.
So much goofier, but still a slasher.
It's Final Girls.
It is just this, it's just,
it's, it's ridiculous.
I love it.
Jeremy: That's the, that's
the one that does the takeoff
S. E.: Nina Dobrev, say again?
Jeremy: It does the, does that take,
that's the one that does the take off on
Friday the 13th as well, where they end
S. E.: Yes.
It's a summer camp.
They time travel,
Jeremy: they meta
travel, they travel into the
S. E.: It's like time
travel through a movie
to where Nina Dobrev gets to see
her mom at summer camp, I believe.
Jeremy: yeah, her mom is one of the
S. E.: super goofy white guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's, it's a, it's a good time.
I like it.
Emily: Sounds good.
Jeremy: Craig, do you recommend it?
Craig: Uh, yeah, I think that
this is I think it's a good watch
overall and I think that, uh, it
fits well and I, it actually adds
to the previous movie and it's worth
watching the trilogy as a whole.
I think we mentioned this last week
it probably would have been better
as a limited series just because
it's like when you're seeing like a.
Previously on in a movie, it's like, it
feels more TV show than anything like,
S. E.: Yeah.
Craig: yeah, it's like, starts off.
It's like, yeah, last time on fear street.
So
I
think that.
Oh,
S. E.: sorry, Craig.
I was gonna say, I think like,
God, I was just like, I was
vibing so hard with that idea.
'cause we hadn't talked about it in
this EPIs episode, but I was thinking
like, wow, think about how good that
would be to have like a nineties show.
But you have an episode where you drop
into the seventies and you let the
whole episode just be that instead
of trying to make it this sort of
like, it's the nineties, it's the
seventies, the seventies and nineties.
It, the nineties seventies
of, of this movie, which is,
I think it's, it's weakness is
is actually that piece.
Millennials
Emily: can I introduce something
truly horrifying to everybody?
Craig: sure.
Ben: That's what we're here for.
Emily: the 90s is the 60s of the now.
Craig: Oh, yeah.
I was thinking about that the other day.
Ben: Yeah.
Oh,
oof.
Emily: like the
Ben: That is
S. E.: like, we have to turn
into the curve so we don't turn
into every other generation.
We're like, wait, no,
no, no, I can remember.
I can remember that it's longer ago.
Emily: yeah, yeah, sorry if you're
listening, sorry if you actually
turned off the road, probably
safest, bet if you're listening to
this in the car, you know, take a
moment, I mean, people are still
listening to Nirvana and that's great.
But anyway, my recommendation for
this week, I think I'm going to, amend
last week's recommendations, because
I was foolish and I did not recommend
Yellow Jackets when I was talking
about a, something that did, like,
discusses the 90s
Craig: Like, it is,
yeah.
Emily: and Cannibalism,
Multiple timelines,
you know, does, does do the needle drops.
I feel like it does the needle drops.
Okay.
it's not
S. E.: a redhead playing
a role that is iconic for
her, for them, I'm sorry.
Ben: Yellow Jackets just
created a new nineties fucking
awesome song to be, its opening.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: They got fucking Alanis
Morris said to cover it,
Emily: yes.
And that's what I'm like,
that's what I want to see.
Like, I want to like, it's cool.
I love you guys.
I love all of you.
And I'm with you.
I'm, I'm nostalgic too.
Like, I remember the teen that I was.
But let's make, something new about that
and talking about that as opposed to being
like the 90s, duh, it happened, Cypress
Hill, Insane in the Membrane, what now,
Tom
Jeremy: I love when, when movies
give people a song that seems like it
came from an era to be obsessed with.
Rather than just making them obsessed with
something they bought the rights to, like,
Emily: Yeah,
Yeah.
Jeremy: I don't know yeah, so I
guess that, Ben, you gave your
recommendation, uh, Essie, what do
you have to recommend this week?
S. E.: I did, uh, Final Girls.
Jeremy: Yes, Fondle Girls.
Sorry, yes, you did
S. E.: no no worries.
Jeremy: Craig, what did
you have to recommend?
Craig: Well, like I was gonna
say yellow jackets, but,
Emily: I'm
S. E.: did,
Jeremy: You can still say Yellow
Ben: Ah,
Emily: You can say Yellow Jackets
Craig: double down on that.
I think I don't know, general
recommendations Did I bring
up The Witcher last week?
Because I've been re watching
that and I love that show.
It's,
Emily: I don't know if you brought
it up as a recommendation, but
Craig: yeah, the first two
seasons are really good.
The third season is all right and I just
watched it because it's the last time that
we're going to get to see Henry Cavill
in those tight Witcher leather pants, so.
That's, uh, unfortunate, and
just, yeah, you know, gotta
take it while I can get it,
Emily: Yeah, that's worth
a recommendation right
S. E.: That first season, that
first season is fucking something.
Craig: yeah.
yeah.
S. E.: I think the second season is good.
I have not seen the third season.
I just couldn't
Craig: I think the second season is really
good because it does a really good job
of expanding on characters that that kind
of like show up in the first season, but
don't really have like a moment to shine.
But like, particularly like illa,
like her relationship with Jennifer.
Like that, in that relationship in
particular, like her relationship with
te like the, like essentially as a mother
figure for like the, all the witches that
like tusa, like, they kind of like start
S. E.: That's a great point.
I was only just thinking
about the witcher storyline.
You're absolutely
right.
The witch storyline is
so much better than the
Craig: Yeah, and yeah, and all of,
like, the, all of, like, the other,
like, witches, like, the relationship
between all the witches, and especially,
like, between, like, Yennefer and
Ciri, like, that kind of, like, that's
where that really starts to kick off.
So, yeah, anyway, anyway,
S. E.: Did you like,
Blood Origins?
Absolutely.
Craig: oh, yeah, I love that one.
I
S. E.: I thought that was fucking good.
I thought that was fucking good.
Yeah, I really liked that, sorry, sorry.
Craig: The Witcher, uh, just
another general one, uh, sort
of, also really good on Max.
it's like about a, uh, non binary
Pakistani person, which is also, like,
really good and in this current season
they're starting to go through more,
like, medical gender affirming care
and, like, Heading into that journey.
So like, I'm really excited and
interested to see where this goes.
and it's, yeah, not really
necessarily relevant to Fear Street,
but that's just what I want to
recommend.
Emily: that
Ben: Hell yeah.
Jeremy: yeah.
I'm about to recommend something that's
only like wildly tangentially related.
So I, I watched, I am on a slow descent
into madness with the movies I've chosen
to watch this last week because I, I
watched this one and then the last couple
of days we've been recommended, I don't
remember who recommended it on the show.
Birth slash Rebirth, which is on Shudder
right now that has, Judy Reyes in it is
an incredible Frankenstein story about a,
a kid who, a mom who loses their kid if
you're a parent, the first ten minutes of
this movie are a waking nightmare, where
it's just like, like the story of the
first ten minutes is that, like, Okay.
the mom is a, played by Judy Reyes, the
mom is, a nurse, and, her kid is, uh,
sick and can't go into, daycare, so she
hands her off to the neighbor, uh, and
in the process of the day, like, can't
get to her phone, and then her phone
actually, like, breaks, and she comes
back home, and, like, neither the neighbor
or her kid are there, And she gets to
the hospital and finds out that her
kid has already died and that her body
has already been taken to the morgue.
And that she had like, she had
bacterial meningitis and like
died over the course of that day.
And I was like, I was watching that.
I was like, Oh
no.
Oh
Ben: Yeah.
That, that is, that is not a movie.
You and Alicia should be watching.
Jeremy: Yeah, that was, that movie is
literally like, I was an hour into that
movie and Alicia had been editing the
podcast and came in to see what I was
doing and I was like, I paused the movie
and she was like, oh, you can watch it.
I was like, no, I can't.
I cannot watch it while
you were in this room.
I cannot.
That will not be good.
And so I, she was like,
fine, I'll go away.
And I was like, okay.
I mean, I would rather shut it
off than watch it with you in
the room because it is not okay.
Emily: Yeah.
Then, subject her to that.
Jeremy: yeah,
it is full of incredible performances.
it's really rough to watch,
but I think really well made.
It's, it is genuinely horrifying.
the other movie that I watched
this week, uh, that I definitely
do want to recommend without nearly
as much, warning is Saltburn.
Craig: Oh, yeah, I
Ben: I, so I, need to see it.
I
Emily: Okay.
Apparently I do too.
Cause it's been, I've been like, bring
Jeremy: It is fucking wild.
I don't want to say too much
about it, but if you like a good
Kill the Rich movie boy, this is
one.
It's got some of the most
amazing performances in it.
It's full of, like,
great character actors.
And at the center of it is this
quasi romantic sort of like obsession
relationship between Barry Coen
and, uh, Jacob Elordi's characters.
Which is like deeply, deeply fucked up,
but then you get to meet his whole family.
His parents are played by Richard E.
Grant and Rosamund Pike Jacob
Elordi's character,
Craig: I'm sorry.
It's, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I just have to correct you.
It's, it's Rosamund.
Jeremy: yes, Rosamund, sorry.
Craig: Pike.
Jeremy: Rosamund Pike has my
favorite line in that movie, which
made me, like, literally spit
out a drink as I was watching it.
Because she is, like, she is
talking to, Oliver Berry's character
at one point in the garden.
And like, she's talking about a queer
woman or something and she says I was
a lesbian for a while, you know, but
it was all too wet for me in the end.
Men are so lovely and dry.
And she just says this
sort of unprompted up,
Craig: See how we're looping that back in?
Sarah Fier.
Sarah
Fier.
it's
it's
Ben: go.
There we
Emily: Wet bones.
Jeremy: Yeah, she's like, I was a
lesbian for a while, it's just too wet.
It's like,
S. E.: I don't buy it.
I don't buy any of that shit.
I don't buy it.
Jeremy: Her
S. E.: wet is not typically a problem.
Craig: No, that's
Emily: If wet is a problem, then
that's, I mean, that's a problem.
I'm not going to pontificate on this.
S. E.: Rosamund Pike is one of
those people who just plays a ton
of lesbians and like, is married to
someone who is a man as far as we know.
But like, she's one of those people
where you're just like, I get it.
I get the whole, I get the whole vibe.
So with that line, I buy it.
I buy that line from her.
But I don't buy the
conceit, you know what I
mean?
Ben: It's like Rachel Weisz, but then you
see Daniel Craig in a tank top and you're
like, Okay, yeah, I get what's going on.
Jeremy: yeah.
Ben: Daniel Craig is as close to a
masked lesbian as a cis man can be.
S. E.: Especially in that one commercial,
Ben: oh, you know the exact commercial.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know exactly the
S. E.: you're all,
Ben: thinking about.
Aw.
Jeremy: so also this movie is directed
by Emerald Fennell who we've talked about
Promising Young Woman on here before.
It is her second feature length film.
It also does feature Carey
Mulligan in a supporting role.
She is fucking fantastic in it.
So like, yeah, if you like Promising
Young Woman or, uh, you just like.
Movies about eating the rich and, and
evil queers and everything, it is just
sort of like, it's the perfect essence of,
of all that stuff boiled down together.
Yeah, and it's wild.
Yeah, so, uh, I think that's all of
our recommendations for this week.
Craig, do you want to let people know
where they can find you online and,
and find out more about what you do?
Craig: I am on Twitter, X,
whatever, at Ctharticus.
Instagram at CraigNorock.
Which is just Craig and
then Norock as in Ragnarok.
And Just yesterday did a event at CU
Boulder with, uh, friend Clarkesha Kent,
that I believe will be, really somewhere.
I know that there was a recording
somewhere out there, but, it was all
about talking about her, recent book.
it's just about a year old at this point.
But, talking about, blackness
and anti fat bias in media
and as well as like queerness.
And it was a really good conversation
with The school of media up at CU Boulder.
So, at some point that will
probably be out there somewhere.
I don't know.
I'm really bad at, finding that
they are like, putting the things.
Where I need to put them, but,
um, I know it was recorded.
It'll probably be out there at some point.
And I think that I have an episode
on decoded horror coming up at some
point, but I'm not sure when, but
in the meantime, uh, you can check
out like tales of the Sapphire
Bay, I think is the, is that right?
The
S. E.: it's I'll jump in.
I am so lucky that Craig is my friend and
we get to collaborate on cool projects.
So one of the projects that we got to have
Craig on is called Decoded Horror Channel.
It's at decodedpride.
com and then click listen
to Decoded Horror Channel.
We have five episodes up now.
Craig.
Uh, you might've forgotten for my short
story, you voice one of the characters.
Craig: Yeah.
I know in the short story.
And then I, I
didn't
S. E.: then yes, there's a big
episode coming.
Yes.
It hasn't come out
Craig: Okay, that's what I was looking,
I was trying to find it on Spotify,
and I was like, has this come out yet?
I feel like I recorded this forever ago.
And it
S. E.: you.
I will tell you.
Yes.
I will.
I will make sure I tell
you when it comes out.
But yes, I'm very, I'm so
excited for that episode.
That one was very near
and dear to my heart.
But yeah, so we have
five episodes out so far.
Right now we're in the process of
doing some fundraising and behind the
scenes work to get the rest of the
amazing episodes edited, including
the one where Craig is The star.
It's a beautiful one.
And yeah, I'm one of the co
hosts of Bitches on Comics.
That's BitchesOnComics.
com We have episodes every other
week where we talk to LGBTQ plus
and women LGBTQ plus creators
and women creators of comics.
It's a very awkward
phrasing, but Here we are.
And it is a good time.
We'll talk to some of your faves
about all kinds of cool shit.
We've had Craig on the podcast a handful
of times, so if you go to bitchesoncomics.
com, go to the search bar, put in Craig,
don't you worry, you'll get to hear
more from this beautiful human, which
is one of my favorite things to do.
Craig: YERRRR, THICC IT AIN'T CHEESE!
Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Also watch the new Teenage
Mutant Ninja Turtles movie.
That's a really good one.
S. E.: Mmm,
I really like it!
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: big
Craig: cheese!
Yeah!
Yeah!
S. E.: God, I love that movie.
That
was
Ben: recommend this random Instagram
reel I saw of a New Yorker trying to
order bacon, egg, and cheese in L.
A.
So if you can find that random
Instagram reel, it's a good one.
Jeremy: Yeah, right on.
Ben, you want to let people know
where they can find you online?
Ben: Yes, find me at Ben Conn comics.
I'm on Blue Sky and Instagram
at Ben Conn comics and on still
on Twitter for some reason.
At, at Ben the Con.
Make sure to check out all my
various works like the Captain Laer
Hawk Tie in Manga, the pros novel l
Campbell wins their weekend or the
Queer Action Comedy Renegade Rule.
Emily: Yeah.
S. E.: And if you want to hear Ben
talk about these amazing projects,
go over to BitchesOnComics.
com
and put in Ben Kahn.
Ben: There, look, if you like me
gabbing about horror movies, you're
gonna like me and SE gabbing about
a whole bunch of other random shit.
S. E.: That's a good time.
Craig: I forgot to mention I'm also on
Blue Sky under the same tag as, Twitter.
Just Catharticus.
I forget that I have one of
those every once in a while.
Jeremy: It's getting increasingly
important, considering
Craig: Yeah.
Jeremy: state of Twitter.
Twitter was advertising to me this they
got a cool app now where you can make AI
porn of your favorite Disney characters.
Thank you, Twitter, for advertising
that to me in a paid advertisement.
Emily, can you let people know
where they can find you online?
Emily: Absolutely.
If you wanna order me a bacon, egg,
and cheese or need help ordering
one, just hit me up on the dms.
Twitter and Blue Sky Mega moth,
mega underscore moth on Instagram.
But if you wanna look at my art,
which is the thing that I do it's on
Instagram, but also Patreon at Mega Moth.
Tumblr's still there.
Remember Tumblr?
It's still there.
I'm mega Moth on Tumblr too.
Go on Tumblr.
It's sometimes it's okay.
Jeremy: I posted on Tumblr today.
It was weird.
Craig: Yeah,
Emily: sad that I didn't
because I, I go on Tumblr a lot.
Anyway, that's what, on megamoth.
net, it's,
Jeremy: Fantastic.
really fighting to not make
that Homestar reference, huh?
Emily: It's, Humpshire Runner is still
on, I'm not on YouTube, but they are.
Jeremy: you can find me on both
Twitter and Instagram at jrome58.
You can find me on BlueSky and Tumblr
at JeremyWhitley, jeremywhitley.
tumblr.
com, if, that's your thing.
You can pick up, uh, my books,
including the brand new one, which
as we're recording this will,
is two weeks from coming out.
So by the time this is out, you will,
Already, hopefully, have bought a copy.
It is called The Cold Ever After.
It is a queer Arthurian noir.
It is a lot of fun.
It's much more bloody, violent,
and sexy than most of the comics
that I've actually put out.
So, definitely check that out.
I've also recently been reminded that
it's been A year since the Gwynpool
comic I did came out, uh, which is a
comic where she, it hasn't been collected
anywhere but on Marvel U right now, so
you should go check that out if you can,
because it is a story, by creators who
are on the ace spectrum about Gwynpool
coming to the realization about her,
her sexuality, that she is ace as well.
So.
Yeah, that's a fun story.
It's only currently on the internet.
So I don't know call your
congressman or something.
Um,
Yeah, call your internet congressman
and tell them that they need to
print our Ace Gwynpool story.
But yeah, it's it's a really
cool thing and it's all made by,
creators including our editors who
were who were on the ace spectrum.
So, yeah, I thought that was worth
plugging at this point since it has
been oh, late year since that came out.
As for the podcast, you can
find the podcast on Patreon
progressively horrified.
Our website at progressively
horrified transistor fm and on
Twitter at Prague Horror Pod.
Uh, we don't yet have it on Blue Sky,
but that's, that's coming, I'm sure.
And speaking of loving to hear
from you, we would love it if you
would rate and review this podcast
wherever you're listening to it.
It helps us get more listeners by, you
know, recommending it to more people.
Thanks again to our guests
Essie and Craig for joining us.
Guys, it's been a ball.
I look forward to wrapping
this trilogy up next week.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: no, thank you guys so much for
coming back and uh, joining us for this.
Can't wait to finish out the trilogy.
S. E.: Uh, you know what?
I just want to hear everyone's
feelings about the needle drop,
Emily: Yeah.
S. E.: wait to hear a yoke.
I
think it's gonna
Craig: back then?
Did they even, you know?
Ben: waiting, they're gonna, the
characters are gonna have to literally
take needles and just start dropping them
Emily: They, they, uh,
Jeremy: You gotta drop
it on the wax thing, the
Emily: they have like a wax cylinder.
Yeah.
I have no idea when
that
shit.
Craig: you
Emily: Yeah.
Craig: old, yeah.
Emily: That's real witchcraft right there.
Craig: exactly.
That's what kicks it all off, you
Emily: yeah, she like made records and
they were like, what the fuck is this?
Craig: From whence does that sound emerge?
S. E.: I cannot wait!
I
cannot wait for our
next
Jeremy: preview of next week's episode
Ben: Yeah.
S. E.: So,
excited!
Emily: it doesn't slap.
Jeremy: you as always for joining us
and until next time stay horrified